Vega Martin Banjo Info

The Metropolitan Museum of Art in NYC recently showcased an exhibit of pre-1900 Martin guitars.

This fascinating collection of vintage stringed instruments chronicles luthier C.F. Martin`s transition from traditional Spanish, Viennese, and Renaissance structural features towards innovating a modern acoustic guitar with a unique cross brace design.

Although the Martin Company did not manufacture Vega banjos till a century later, a solitary banjo from the mid 19th century is appended to the exhibit to display parallel innovation in the instrument because of its increasing popularity during that era.

This 5-stringer was manufactured circa 1845 in Baltimore, MD, by luthier William Boucher, Jr.. He is credited with being one of the first banjo-builders to install side brackets with hooks to adjust the tension of the head.

The C.F. Martin Company acquired the Vega rights from the Bostonian Nelson Family in May of 1970 and sold the franchise overseas in March of 1979.

Ironically, C.F. Martin briefly built a lightweight tenor banjo between 1923-26 to compete with Vega and other manufacturers whose heavier and more popular banjos had greater tone, volume, and sales.

An example of one of these 4-stringers from the 1920`s is still in the C.F. Martin Museum collection.  The back of the  peghead of these rare banjos is imprinted with a C.F. Martin stamp.

The Banjo Rehabilitation Center archives contain the serial numbers and dates of manufacture of the Vega-Martin banjos made in Nazareth, PA, during the 1970`s. Data from these logbooks are available per e-mail request from the BRC founder.

A Vega/Martin folktale from the BRC mailbox:

Dear Reader,

Thanks for the photo of your Vega/Martin Pro-5 banjo. It is a beauty. Of note, when the “Professional”  5-stringer was made in Boston in the early 1960`s, it had  square MOP inlays with dots on the neck compared to the nicely designed inlays on your fretboard and seen in the 1966 catalogue. In the 1970 transitional Vega/Martin banjo catalogue, their  “Pro” model line is conspicuosly absent; and instead, is seen a nearly identical twin “Bobby Joe Fenster” style banjo named after a fictitious nerdy folk musician invented by Martin in 1967 as an insider marketing joke.

In the Martin SN files, banjo #1302252 manufactured in 1971 is designated as a “BJF-5 (Pro)” style instrument.  Although C.F. Martin did not develop or cultivate such a banjo line,  a dozen such BJF-5 entries  are recorded in their shop files from 1971-1972.  The handsome Professional-5  model with an upgraded tone ring and rim re-appeared in the 1972 Vega/Martin banjo catalogue- but no sign ever again of the short lived BJF-5 stringer.  

The “Pro” model initially featured a “Tube-a-phone tone chamber rim” which evolved into a tone ring with  “exclusively designed audio apertures” machined into a dogbone/barbell configuration.

The `Martin Guitars: A Technical Reference` confirms that the BJF-5 banjo was a thinly disguised Pro-5 not unlike yours . To unravel most of the curious mystery of the legendary Bobby Joe Fenster, please scroll back to the Sept. 12, 2014 homepage posting  devoted to this interesting figure from the annals of Vega Martin banjo history, or just enter “fenster” in the search engine on the home page. In the meantime, keep on pickin` that Pro-5. Barry

A Legacy from the BRC Mailbox: A Regal Lineage Concludes…

The highly ornate Vega Vox  IV  banjo with serial number #1969 was the final officially documented banjo manufactured by C. F. Martin in Nazareth, PA. , circa 1978-79.

The Vega Vox model was a 4 string gem that featured a brass tone ring. The resonator was hand-painted, and fancy engraved pearl inlays adorned the ebony fingerboard. The peg head engraving and paint motif matched the resonator. 

As C.F. Martin was winding-down its banjo production, the metal engraving was subcontracted to Liberty Banjos.

Thanks to BRC Consultant  and Vega Vox scholar Dr. Ron from everyone at the BRC for providing representative images typical of this historic crowning jewel (see below correspondences #24).

Lots More From the BRC Mailbox:

S.C. says:

Date: Oct. 7, 2021

Subject: Help with ID of Vega Banjo please

Hello-

Just came across your site, I was wondering if you would be able to help identify what model Martin Vega banjo that I have, I believe it is from the 70’s. Have a bunch of pics I can forward, any particular area to focus on that would help?

Thanks, S.C.

BRC replies:

Oct. 7, 2021 

S.C.- Thank you for your query to the BRC. Please take detailed photos of your banjo inside and outside. Look for decals and a serial number on the interior of the rim to help document its story. With appreciation, Barry

BRC says:

Oct. 8, 2021

S.C.-Thank you for the prompt and detailed photos of your banjo. It is a Vega Martin model VW-5 called a “Vega Wonder” and sometimes referred to as the Wonder-5. It was manufactured in Nazareth, PA, in mid 1973 per shop order # 2154. C.F. Martin built 561 VW-5 banjos in the 1970`s.You can learn more about this VM instrument by browsing my <banjorehab.com> website for the postings on 6-19-21 and 1-16-21, or just enter the word `wonder` in the search engine. Thanks again for your query. Have a restful weekend and be well, Barry

S.C. replies:

Oct. 8,2021 

Wow! What a wealth of information! Thanks so much I’ll get back to you if any further questions. Have a great weekend as well. 

Best, S.C.

Samantha– Thanks for the extensive and helpful photos of your above banjo. In 1979, Martin sold the Vega brand to the Asian conglomerate Galaxy.  Vega banjos were then marketed in the USA by TMC (Targ & Dinner Music Company). Your instrument is a tenor arch top 4-stringer made in the early 1980`s. The Vega banjos in the TMC catalogue were identified by serial numbers only with no model titles or nicknames. Your banjo is item # VB120C which sold for $360 back then. Galaxy went bankrupt in a few years, and the Vega brand was purchased in 1989 by Deering in California who restored the instrument line to greatness. Hopes this helps and thanks again for the detailed pictures. From the BRC, Barry

Thank you for getting back to me so fast.  I have been unable to find out anything on the web concerning this banjo. The owner of the store I purchased it from told me it was made by Martin. I have been unable to find any info regarding the instrument. There is NO yellow label, NO serial numbers that I can find or any decal or name anywhere. The only Vega mark is the peg head!

Well, this is a hybrid banjo, and doubtful that is a Galaxy banjo.  The rim and shoe screws/washer are likely homemade/cut down and tone ring is not Galaxy stock, but more of a Gibson knockoff. The “Eddie Peabody Model” was actually made by Vega of Boston from 1966-ca. 1969, probably initially at the 40 Leon Street factory the Needham Heights (just before the sale to Martin).  It was a student model that Eddie convinced long time friend and Vega owner/president to make positioned as a lower cost alternative to the Vox I/Professional II…it was an upgrade over the Little Wonder/Ranger banjos.  They made both tenor/plectrum and five-string models.  The differentiating feature is the deeper resonator than the VIP/Pro II/Osborne/Scruggs Mk II/Bobby Joe Fenster standard resonator models—not quite as deep as the Vox and not top tension (standard hook and nut with Pro II flanges).  It did not have a tone ring or simply a steel ring like the Wonder, to keep the cost down.  But, the neck had the upgraded crown inlay pattern like their mid range banjos, and originally a paddle peghead design (the new scroll design appeared in 1968).  They all had yellow serial number stickers.

Reply to BRC,

Barry, I want to thank you very much for the research on my Vega.  Being unable to find anything on the internet, I began to think I had been scammed.  The tone ring really had me confused!  It looked like it belonged on a Gibson.  Many thanks to you and your friend Ron for putting me straight.  Jack

Tim says:

April 30, 2019

I have what appears to be a Vega Martin Tu-ba-phone Deluxe. It is identical to your pictures posted 1/9/16 (as far as I can tell). There are no Martin decals anywhere on this banjo that I can find. There is no serial number either. The tone ring is not a standard Tu-ba-phone as I know them. It is triangular rather then square (cross section) and has no ring on top. The tone rim appears to be cast, with drilled holes (like the Tu-ba-phone holes). More like a bluegrass tone rim. Anything you can tell me about this banjo would be helpful. I can send pictures if that would be helpful.

 

Reply from BRC:

 

                                                                                                                                       

Tim- Thank you for the prompt and detailed photographs of your banjo. Martin sold the Vega brand to the Asian conglomerate Galaxy Trading Company in March of 1979. In May of that year, the newly transferred Vega line was then marketed in the USA by Targ & Dinner 20 Century Music Company. The TMC catalogue offered all the previous banjos from the Martin/Nazareth era which were likely assembled from parts, and this may explain variations in the structural make-up of your 5-stringer. The TMC instruments were identified only by model numbers and not by familiar names like “Tu-Ba-Phone” or “VIP” or the “Wonder.” This may reflect, perhaps, a restriction in the seller`s (C.F. Martin) contract. In the TMC catalogue, your banjo is identified only as “No. VT2SC” and listed for $1250. The Galaxy franchise went bankrupt in a few years, and Deering purchased the Vega brand in 1989 to restore its quality and tradition. Although it lacks Martin`s identifying features, your banjo looks like a lovely instrument. The only Tu-Ba-Phone that appeared in a Vega Martin catalogue was in 1976 when the open back long neck Tu-Ba-Phone XL premiered. The Tu-Ba-Phone Deluxe 5-String, Deluxe Plectrum, and standard neck 5-string open back models were promoted through a  flyer published circa 1978.

 

In that C.F. Martin flyer and the earlier catalogue, there is curiously no mention of engraved hardware as clearly seen in your Tu-Ba-Phone instrument photo. Maybe, this was a post production embellishment. Hope this helps, and the best from the BRC, Barry

 

Dick says:

January 7, 2019 at 5:34 pm

Hello, I have enjoyed reading your posts on Vega-Martin banjos.

I’m the happy owner of a Vega-Martin VW-5 “Wonder” 5 string, serial #1516. The seller advertised it (in 2016) as verified by BRC — made in 1976 in Nazareth. One thing that I have noticed is that Massachusetts-made resonator banjos generally had a yellow/orange stain. Every Martin Vega I have seen has a more dark brown mahogany-colored stain. Is this generally true, can one instantly recognize a Nazareth vs. Massachusetts by the stain color?

I was fortunate enough to visit the Needham factory (actually a cement-block garage-like building) in the mid-late 1960s and saw some early VIPs under construction. I was disappointed because I badly wanted to see Scruggs models!

Do you know how many Scruggs or Scruggs Soloists, and Sonny Osborne models were made under the Martin ownership — and where made? Do you have a total of these models made under the Massachusetts Vega name?

BRC Replies:

January 7, 2019 at 7:27 pm

Dick- Thank you for being a frequent reader of the BRC website. Your comments about the color tone differences of Vega/Boston vs. Martin/Nazareth resonator banjos are curious, and I do not have an  accurate answer for it. Maybe, another observant reader will offer a discerning observation for us sometime. It is great to hear from someone who actually visited the Vega factory in Needham Heights, Massachusetts. In regards to the endorsed banjo models cited in your final paragraph, my files show that the Sonny Osborne model appears only in the 1968 Vega/Boston catalogue. It is not seen in the 1970 transitional Vega/Martin catalogue. The Vega serial number files still available do not specify the specific models of banjo manufactured in Massachusetts. The C.F. Martin files indicate that only one Scruggs Mark II banjo and only one Scruggs Soloist banjo were manufactured at the Martin factory in Nazareth, Pennsylvania, in the 1970`s. Hope this helps and all the best in 2019, Barry

P.S. Further investigation related to your comments in the above first paragraph might shed some light on the wood tone finish differences. The Vega 1961 flyer and 1963 catalogue describe that the Earl Scruggs model had a “sunburst finish” on the resonator.  The C.F. Martin 1970 catalogue described a “shaded mahogany finish” on the Wonder model, and the 1976 Martin catalogue reported that the Wonder banjo bore a “mahogany color” finish. Age differences in the instruments might also alter the wood tones.

Ernest says:

November 14, 2018 at 9:38 pm

GREAT FORUM. Recently purchased a Vega Vox iv plectrum banjo. Serial number 115831 on a yellow strip built in Boston Mass.Wondering when it might have been built?

•  The BRC Replies:

  November 15, 2018 at 7:43 pm

  Ernie- It would be helpful if you could send a photo of your yellow sticker, as I suspect that your Vega Vox IV was manufactured in Boston in 1964 after Vega reconverted to a six digit serial number during the pre- C.F. Martin era. This email will be copied to my Vega Vox scholar Dr. Ron for his insights and comments.
  From the BRC, Barry

  Reply from our  Vega Vox scholar Dr. Ron
  Hi Ernie,

  Congratulations…and, welcome to the VegaVox family!

  As Barry indicates, a photo of the yellow sticker will be helpful here. The problem is that the serial number labels at this time had printing errors, where the first numeric digit was omitted. Typically, the number would be preceded with an “A” (indicating an adjustable truss rod) followed by a six-digit number. I have attached photos comparing the label printing difference.

  The five number labels were found in banjos made from 1962 through February 1964, involving serial numbers A10300 through A12400. I am assuming someone may have penciled in an extra “1” on yours, but my best guess is that it was made sometime in the last half of 1963 (A12130 was the first banjo produced in Jan ’64). So, your banjo is likely either a late 1963/early 1964 model (Vega “model years” ran from Oct 1st-Sept 30th at the time, much like automobiles). Most likely, your banjo has a paddle peghead still with Kluson tuners, block MOP engraved fingerboard inlays, and an updated resonator design with black bindings and a fleur-de-lis added under the engraved star “De-Luxe Vegavox” on the back (brand new on the 1963-model).

  The Vega Company manufactured of this era were assembled at the 40 Leon Street factory in Boston from 1961-1966, and subsequently at the 155 Reservoir Street facility outside Boston in suburban Needham Heights from 1966-1971(C. F. Martin acquired the company in May 1970 and continued some manufacturing/assembly there until moving fully to Martin’s factory in Nazareth, PA). When C. F. Martin took over Vega in 1970, they dropped the A-xxxxxx serial numbers and replaced it with M-xxxxxx series, until starting a new four digit numbering system in 1972 at the Nazareth factory.

  Hope this helps.

  Cheers, Ron

• BRC Banjo Replies:

  October 4, 2018 at 2:52 pm

  Dave- Thank you for your kind words about the website and the narrative about your Vega Vox IV tenor banjo. When C.F. Martin purchased the Vega brand in May of 1970, the Martin factory in Nazareth, PA, began to re-tool for banjo production. During this transitional period, Boston parts were shipped to Nazareth for assembly, and Martin pre-fixed the traditional six digit Vega serial number with the letter `M`. Your tenor 4-stringer was built in early 1972 per Shop Order 2051. A few months later, the old six digit number system was replaced with new sequence starting with #2 and progressing sequentially to a four digit number over the ensuing years. The Vega Vox IV of that era featured burnished gold-plated parts, engraved flanges, an all white pyralin deep resonator with elaborately engraved back and sides, a fretboard with fancy pearl inlays, and an engraved and colored scroll shaped peg head. It listed for $1310 in the 1971 VM price brochure and a carved heel was extra. Deering now owns the Vega brand, and it is rumored that they may revive the deep resonator design. From the BRC, Barry

  Reply from our Vega Vox scholar Dr. Ron:

   The information looks just fine—there were yet a number of the Mxxxxxx series banjos still made in the Needham Heights factory outside Boston.  I actually picked up a banjo that had a resonator that was sitting on the shelf in that 1970-72 period as Martin was transitioning and shutting down the factory there.

  

   I’ve attached a photo of that “Coat of Arms” resonator next to my Vox V—it was a spare they had made for Eddie Peabody.

   

  

   

  Thought you might enjoy an article in All Frets from my good friend and American Banjo Museum curator, Johnny Baier, “An Ode to the Vega Vox”—I’d like to think my bad influences have moved him over to the “dark side” as he is now a happy owner of his own deep resonator tenor with a calfskin head (it sounds fantastic).

   

   

   

  Another side note, Greg Deering has made two prototype Voxes already…I have played one of them, which is basically an identical design to the 1967 Vox I with a paddle peghead and crown inlays.  I can’t find that picture, but I’ll see if I can locate it, as someone else may have sent it to me playing the banjo out at a festival in Arizona.   He uses the one piece neck design typical of the other Deering models with the SN stamped on the back of the peghead.  Greg also originally hand made the round hole Tubaphone tone rings, but now they have a fairly well honed machine manufacturing process.  This Vox uses brass (rather than the late model Vega/Martin aluminum) hex nut shoes for the tension bolts, and thinner dual brass coordinator rods (again, instead of aluminum).  Also, Deering uses a 3-ply 1/2” rock maple rim, compared to the 5/8” 10-ply rim typically found in most Martin Nazareth produced Voxes in the 1970s.  Tony Trsichka wants Greg to make a 5-string model, much like Vega did on very rare occasions in the late 1950s/early 1960s.

   
   
• Bob says:

• BRC Replies:

  August 16, 2018 at 7:00 pm

  Bob- Thank you for your kind words about my website, and I reply with compliments to your luthier shop with which I am familiar. By history, C.F. Martin purchased the Vega company on May 5, 197O. While the Martin factory in Nazareth, PA, retooled to build banjos, interim yellow stickers were affixed to the inner rims of Boston banjos citing the merger and identifying the model of the instrument (which was inscribed by pen). By early 1971, Martin began to assemble banjos from Boston-made parts in Nazareth using the Vega six digit serial number system prefixed with the letter “M” for Martin and beginning with Shop Order 2001. This workshop numbering system continued uninterrupted to #2355 in 1977 when the banjos went overseas for assembly. C.F. Martin initiated its own serial number system in early 1972 which ran sequentially from #2 through #1945. Your PS-5 Pete Seeger long neck # M-130259 was assembled in Nazareth in early 1971 per Shop Order 2012. Martin built only 101 PS-5 long necks. In the Martin price list of 1971, it is listed at $488 without case. Per my files, the Pete Seeger long neck first appears in a Vega flyer in 1961 for $309. It appears in the transitional Vega/Martin product list of 1970 and lastly in the 1972 Vega Banjo Catalog (The CF Martin Organization). The PS-5 is not seen in the 1976 Vega Martin catalog but is replaced by the No. 2 Tu-Ba-Phone XL long neck. There are some folklore stories why the Seeger banjo was discontinued. Of note, the PS-5 had the `famous Vega “Tube-a-phone” tone ring rim`, a 3 piece ebony fingerboard, pearl dots, a neck-tension rod, nickel-plated rim parts, a shaded mahogany neck, and a 10 ply maple rim. The tonering, bracket band, and notched tension hoop were “all made of vibrant bell brass (Not die cast metal)”. A nice banjo- enjoy. Barry

Rowdy says:

• BRC Replies:

  May 12, 2018 at 1:57 pm

  Andreas- Thank you for the historical narrative on your banjo and the detailed photographs. Your F-VIP (Folk-Very Important Player) banjo #1456 was manufactured in Nazareth, PA, in mid 1975 in a lot of 3 such instruments per Shop Order 2274. It is a somewhat rare bird,  as C.F. Martin built only  20 F-VIP 5 stringers, and to my count 11 were made in Pennsylvania per the shop log book. The other 9 were likely shipped to Canada or Japan for assembly after 1977. The F-VIP is first mentioned briefly on a front page of the 1970 Vega Martin catalogue, and it retailed for $490 in the VM price list of 1971. It is mentioned again on a back page of the 1972 catalogue. In the final VM 1976 catalogue, the F-VIP is displayed in full advertising detail.

  Of note, the tubular connecting rod and the Allen head screws seen in your banjo pot are design features left-over from the Vega era in Boston.

  The SN 1456 on the outside of your tone ring is a fascinating and new discovery to me, and we VM banjo owners should inspect our tone rings for this hidden marking the next time a head gets exchanged.

  Thanks again for your post and pictures and kind comments about the website. From the BRC, Barry

gary says:

• BRC banjo replies:

  March 7, 2018 at 2:00 pm

  Gary- Thanks for your query. Vega Martin long neck PS-5 banjo SN 80 is one of eleven Pete Seeger 5-stringers manufactured in Nazareth, PA, in mid 1972 per Shop Order 2098. C.F. Martin made 101 of the PS-5 instruments which listed for $488 without case in the final V/M price list in 1971. In my files, the PS-5 is seen in a Vega (Boston) flyer in 1961 where it lists for $309. In the 1960`s, the PS-5 featured a 3 piece ebony fingerboard and a “Tube-a-phone” tone ring of bell brass and a 5 ply maple rim. C.F. Martin upgraded the maple rim to 10 ply after purchasing the Vega/Boston franchise in May of 1970. The PS-5 is advertised in the 1970 and 1972 Vega/Martin catalogues but is absent from the 1976 catalogue where the No. 2 Tu-Ba-Phone XL long neck premieres instead. In general, the Boston made Pete Seeger long neck banjos seem to command a greater collectors` interest than the ones manufactured in Pennsylvania. Again, thanks for your post. From the BRC, Barry

  Gary says:

  Barry, thank you so much!

  I love the story. This is a beautiful banjo!

  Thanks again!

   

  Eddie says:

• BRC Banjo Replies:

  February 9, 2018 at 2:56 pm

  Eddie- Thanks for your query and kind comments about the website. Your VW-5 model “Vega Wonder” banjo SN 721 was manufactured in Nazareth, PA, in late 1973 per Shop Order 2181. The Wonder series of instruments featured a metal tone ring, white fingerboard binding, a heavy notched tension hoop, a 10 ply rim, a 3 piece maple neck, a blackwood fingerboard, pearl dots, an armrest, and a factory-installed resonator with four section metal tone flanges. It retailed for $345 in the 1971 Vega Martin price list. Your VW-5 resonator banjo is not to be confused with its cousin the open back FW-5 model “Folk Wonder” which retailed for $280. C.F. Martin manufactured 561 VW-5 banjos but only 124 FW-5 instruments. Both the VW-5 and FW-5 appear in the 1961 Vega ((155 Columbus Ave., Boston, MA) catalogue but featuring a 5 ply rim in the early design. The open back Folk Wonder 5-stringer does not appear in the 1976 Vega/Martin catalogue where the Vega Wonder resonator series is still advertised featuring a brass tone ring and ebony fingerboard. Hope this helps and best wishes from the BRC, Barry

Mark says:

• BRC Replies: 

  December 11, 2017 at 3:29 pm

  Mark- Thank you for the very helpful series of photos and your kind comments about the website. According to the C.F. Martin logbook, banjo SN 1450 was an entry level “Wonder” model 4 string plectrum banjo made in 1975. I have two theories about your instrument. After the difficult 1977 luthier strike at the C.F. Martin factory in Nazareth, PA, parts were shipped overseas to Japan and Canada for assembly. Serial number assignment and record keeping fell into disarray from 1977 to 1979. Your banjo may be a hybrid from that era. The Vega brand was subsequently sold overseas in 1979. My other theory is that the pot, which bears a C.F. Martin decal, is the original pot for the plectrum 4 stringer SN 1450, but the neck was replaced after production with a 5 string neck by a previous owner. The tailpiece does not look original, but the dual connecting rods are typical of  the Martin design. Lastly, the banjo could be cleaned-up and refitted at a local music shop, or referred by the shop to a nearby luthier for repairs; and you would have a workable starter banjo for taking some exploratory music lessons. Give it a try and good luck. Hope this helps. From the BRC, Barry

Eric says:

• BRC Replies: 

  November 27, 2017 at 1:54 pm

  Eric- Thanks for your kind comments about the website and prompt photos. Your T-2 instrument SN 1603 was one of five Tu-Ba-Phone 5 string banjos manufactured in Nazareth, PA, in 1976 shortly before the big luthier strike that compelled C. F. Martin to ship parts overseas for assembly. Martin built only 29 model T-2 instruments which were a reproduction of the classic Tu-Ba-Phone No. 2 Vega banjo from the early Boston era. The banjo had a 3 piece maple neck and a signature tubaphone tone ring clearly shown in the pictures that you provided.

  Martin did not publish retail prices after 1971, so my guess is that this up scale model sold back then for around $600. Deering owns the Vega brand name nowadays, and its T-2 lists for $4149.

  Hope this helps, and I am sending you the  circa 1978 C. F. Martin Tubaphone  model  promotional flyer . All the best from the BRC, Barry

  Eric replies to BRC:

  Thank you so very much for this information!  I appreciate having some of the history around my banjo and will cherish it even more knowing it is somewhat rare.

  THOMAS says: November 16, 2017 at 5:44 pm Dear BRC Folks, I have a Martin Vega Banjo, #324. The tone ring is stamped 24, and the tail piece is stamped 41. From the BRC site this banjo was made circa 1975-1976 in and around Nazareth PA. Do I have the have the provenance correct? Also, I can send pictures, if this would help, or just be fun! At Your Service, Thomas . BRC Replies:  November 16, 2017 at 11:05 pm Tom- Thank you for the prompt and detailed photos of your instrument. Vega Martin banjo SN 324 was manufactured in Nazareth, PA, in early 1973. C.F. Martin built only 31 of the V-41 instruments: 28 of the V-41-5 model like yours, 1 plectrum and 2 tenor 4-stringers. Evidently, there was a marketing strategy to partner the 5-string V-41 instrument with Martin`s popular D-41 guitar, but this ploy did not come to fruition. The `41` engraved on the tailpiece no doubt refers to the model V-41 designation. The #24 on the tone ring is probably an assembly feature to separate the V-41 parts from its upscale gold-plated cousin the V-45 top of the line banjo. The V-41 was available by special order only, and it listed back then for $850. The banjo features a rim and resonator rosewood veneered with white binding, The tone ring was brass, and there was abalone pearl around the back edge of the resonator. The mahogany neck had an ebony fingerboard with distinctive inlays including the peg head. The metal parts were chrome-plated. The circular connecting rod is left over from the Vega inventory and shipped from Boston to Nazareth after C. F. Martin acquired the brand in May of 1970. Thanks for sharing your fascinating banjo with the BRC, Barry Joshua says: November 15, 2017 at 5:58 am Hi! My Dad left me a Martin Vega…I’m thinking I want to pass it on to someone who’ll play it and care for it more than I can. Any help with identifying it (I can’t find a serial number anywhere) or locating buyers would be so gratefully welcomed! I live near Portland, Oregon.   BRC Replies: November 16, 2017 at 2:34 pm Joshua- Send me some detailed photos of your banjo inside and out. If it has a wooden pot resonator, remove it and check the inner rim for identifiers. Thanks from the BRC, Barry Later Joshua reports, Hi Barry! Thanks for your reply. I’ve taken a number of hi-res photos…too many to attach to email. Here’s a link to a .zip file you can download. It appears to be serial number 231 (engraved). 22 frets. Wooden pot resonator. Let me know if you might have any questions… I really appreciate the work you’re doing here. It’s always inspiring to see someone so dedicated to their craft! Joshua Reply from the BRC, Joshua- Thank you for your kind comments and the very detailed pictures. Your Vega Martin instrument SN 231 is a “Wonder” model VW-P (plectrum ) 4 stringer made in Nazareth in late 1972 per Shop Order #2121 just after production was transferred from Boston to the re-tooled Pennsylvania factory. The “Wonder” was an entry level resonator instrument that featured a metal tone ring, white fingerboard binding, a notched tension hoop, a 10 ply rim, 3 piece maple neck, blackwood fretboard, pearl dots, nickel-pate parts and a shaded mahogany finish. It listed back then for $345 without  to BRCcase. Nowadays, it might fetch around $750 in the online marketplace. All the very best from the BRC, Barry Joshua replies to BRC: Thank you, Barry. I really appreciate your orientation. There’s precious little information about these instruments online. So cool to have this historical data… From: Anders in Norway Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 3:09 AM Subject: Banjo question Hi, I tried to find your email address at your Banjo homepage without any success. I apologize for using this email to reach you, but I have a banjo question I hope you can help me with. I got an old Vega banjo from my father. It is collecting dust since i don’t play the banjo and I am thinking of passing it on. I do not know anything about banjos but the label inside the rim says ‘VEGA of Boston. A part of the C.F. Martin & Co. Organisation, NEEDHAM, MASS. No M130097 Model: Wonder 5 St’. It looks like the banjo is in ok/decent condition. Do you know anything of the type of banjo, year of manufacturing and value today? I would appreciate it very much. Best regards, Anders , Norway Reply from the BRC: Saturday, August 12, 2017 8:02 AM   Anders- Thanks for your query. Your Wonder-5 string  banjo #(Martin)130097 was made in Boston in early 1971 after C.F. Martin purchased the Vega brand in May in 1970 and just before the factory was transferred to Pennsylvania.  The Martin log book in Nazareth, PA, begins with #130248 later in 1971.  The Martin Co. dropped the 6 digit serial number system in mid 1971 and then began again with #2- #1945, although a few special banjos up to #1969 were produced. The Vega franchise was sold overseas in 1979 but reacquired in the US by Deering in 1989. The Wonder-5 retailed for $345 without case per the CFM 1971 price list.  The Wonder-5 was an entry level instrument with a metal tone ring, white fingerboard binding,  a notched tension hoop, a 10 ply rim, a 3 piece maple neck, a blackwood fingerboard, 4 section flanges, nickel plated metal parts, and shaded mahogany finish. Depending upon condition, it is probably worth somewhere around $750 these days. Thanks again for your post. From the BRC, Barry     From: Anders in Norway Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 8:51 AM     Wow, Thank you very much for your quick answer. Very interesting to get to know all this details. Again, thank you and have a nice weekend All the best, Anders

John says:

March 26, 2017 at 3:36 am

So happy to find this site. my Martin/Vega PS5 #481 is about a month into my possession. I received a letter(martin memo) along with my banjo covering head adjustment, plastic “Vegalon” heads, string action, bridge and nut and neck rod adjustment dated 8/26/71…also a warranty card with the phone number 215-759-2837…ask for mike
telling me to use string type V750.
having wanted one all my adult life, this banjo is the pinnacle of my banjo collecting desires.

built in 1971, my long neck looks like it was built yesterday and all I added was a geared 5th string peg…stuck it in an American Vintage case and screwed a CF Martin brass medallion to the side.  John

BRC Replies:
March 26, 2017 at 2:07 pm

John- Thank you much for your kind words about my website and letting my readers share in your joy of procuring a VM Pete Seeger long neck 5-stringer (PS-5).  According to the factory logbook,  banjo # 481 was one of eleven PS-5 banjos made per Shop Order # 2155 by C.F. Martin in Nazareth, PA, in 1973. Cited in the Vega price list of 1971, the last one VM published, the retail price tag was $488 without case. A total of 101 PS-5 instruments were manufactured in Pennsylvania. Of note, my Vega Martin VIP-5 banjo built in 1975 also came with a `Care of Your Banjo` memo dated 8/26/71 and a warranty that instructed the owner to call 215-759-2837 and ask for Mike (probably Mike Longworth who was C.F. Martin`s beloved historian). Although a Bluegrass resonator banjo musician, my daily practice exercises are conducted sans picks on one of two long neck Ode 5-stringers that are wife-friendly in tone. Good luck with your vintage Seeger long neck and photos of this prize would be most welcome for posting here if you are so inclined. From the BRC, Barry

Rob says:

March 13, 2017 at 11:32 am

Hello there, what a terrific Web page you guys have put together so interesting, i have a open back tenor banjo with the Martin logo and nos 916 it has the same pearl inlay as the 5 string pro it has 19 frets , i have no idea of it’s value but it has a beautiful slim neck just so easy to finger chords, cheers Rob.

BRC Replies:

March 13, 2017 at 3:46 pm
Rob- Thank you for your query and very kind comments about the BRC website. The description of your banjo serial number 916 is curious, and I will offer my theory about the instrument per the information given. In the Vega Martin shop files, banjo SN 916 is a VVI-P (Vega Vox Style 1 plectrum) resonator banjo made in 1974 in Nazareth, PA. Plectrum 4 stringers have 22 frets compared to the tenors that have 17 to 19 frets. Yes, the VVI banjos have the same inlay pattern as the VM Pro (Professional) 5 string model. It sounds like your banjo is maybe a hybrid made overseas after 1976-1977 when Vega Martin parts were shipped to Japan and later Canada for assembly. Serial numbers became unreliable during that era. Photos of the banjo might possibly shed some light on the mystery, if you are so inclined. My estimate is that the banjo might be worth $500-$700 depending on condition. Again, thank you much for your post. From the BRC, Barry

Later BRC replies:

Rob- Thank you for the below photos. The well preserved CFM decals on the rim and back of the peg head clearly document that the parts were made in Nazareth, PA, circa 1974.

Your slightly blurry photo of the interior of the pot (not included here) show two tubular connecting rods which are left -over parts from the Vega factory in Boston. Piecing the clues together of this mysterious banjo, I suspect that is was a special order item because of the unusually disparate combination of  CFM parts. Thanks for letting us see this fascinating and unique instrument. With appreciation, Barry

Reply from our BRC consultant and Vega Vox scholar Dr. Ron:

Looks like something that might have put together from parts, either inside
or outside the factory–I suspect the latter as there have been lots of Vox
“chop shop” conversions going back in time (even to the 1920s).

So, the rim and rods appear be from a  Vox I, and dogbone Tubaphone tone
ring would be typical of the 1970s period under Martin (some the later Voxes
made by Vega in Needham Heights before moving to Nazareth used these, as
well as slotted Tubaphones).  He could always check the stamp on the bottom
the tone ring to see if it’s a match to the rim (it should say V916).

The shoes (instead of Vox next nut shoes) and the round hook and nut
assemblies are probably from stock, as I have some still lying around at
home that I bought from Martin back then to replace on a 1929 Vegaphone
(which are slightly different).  These were used on the Wonder, VIP,
Folklore, etc (non-Pro II, V-45, V-41 styles).

This is a stock neck off a Martin-made tenor from that era…the fingerboard
block inlay is what would be found on only the  Vox I or Pro.  It is very
interesting that it has the non-ebonized finish on the peghead cap, which
coincided with the move production to Nazareth (adopting stained rosewood as
they used on the guitars).  Unless refinished, the decal on the back also
makes it post-1972.  I remember seeing a brand new tenor Vox I in a music
store in late 1973/early 1974 that already had the rosewood cap (memorable
for me as a kid and thought it odd, when compared to the 1972 catalog; a
Wonder or Ranger were also in the store from Needham Heights and were still
blackened).

On the neck, there usually should be a pencil written serial number at the
heel where it meets the rim (at least all my Martin’s have one there). I
doubt it matches the rim, unless they changed from a plectrum to tenor at
last minute.  There were several old tenor and plectrum Martin neck blanks
for sale a few years ago, but it looks to be factory made condition and
doubt that would be likely a source.

An interesting piece, indeed…

Ron

Darryl says:

July 13, 2016 at 11:13 pm

What A great and informative site .. I admire the amount of effort you’ve put into helping the community of banjo enthusiasts… I ‘ve got serial # 129 , a 22 fret ,27″ scale plectrum in for a set up..any info.about date of manufacture,potential value, and other pertinent details would be appreciated…thanks..

BRC Banjo Replies:
July 14, 2016 at 1:13 pm

Darryl- Thank you for your kind comments about the BRC website. Your Vega Wonder (VW) plectrum banjo SN 129 was one of six `VW-Plec` 4 string banjos made in Nazareth, PA, by C. F. Martin per Shop Order #2105 in mid 1972. The VW tenor 4 stringer was available in the 1963 and 1966 Vega catalogue, but the plectrum model did not appear in the Boston catalogue until 1968 when it listed for $325. In the the 1971 Vega Martin price list, the VW-Plec retailed at $345. The “Wonder” model had a metal tone ring, white fingerboard binding, a heavy notched tension hoop, a 10 ply rim, geared tuners, a 3 piece maple neck, a blackwood fretboard, pearl dots, a resonator with 4 section metal tone flanges, nickel-plated parts, a plastic head, an armrest and shaded mahogany finish.  C.F. Martin manufactured only 33 VW-plectrum banjos. My estimate is that it would fetch up to $900 these days depending on condition Hope this helps and thanks from the BRC, Barry

AVIGNON (from France), Bernard says:

June 1, 2016 at 5:59 am

Hello , I am writing from France where I found a banjo that I want to buy, but which I have no information. It is a VEGA MARTIN tenor 4 string on which is written a number: 1040 .
On the handle, it is engraved VIP and the back of the handle, there is the CF Martin logo.
I want to know the date of construction , its positioning in the range of tenor banjos and possibly the price it may be worth now .
Thank you in advance and best wishes !
Bernard

BRC  Banjo Replies:
June 1, 2016 at 2:33 pm

Bonjour Bernard-  Your VIP (Very Important Player) tenor banjo serial number 1040 was one of three VIP-T banjos manufactured by C.F. Martin in Nazareth, Pennsylvania, in mid 1974 per Shop Order #2217. Martin built 55 VIP-T instruments between 1972-79. The banjo listed for $556 in the 1971 price list without case. The VIP model featured a unique `audio-sonic` bell brass tone ring, a scrolled peg head with ultra filagree pearl work, engraved pearl inlay in the ebony fretboard, a 10 ply maple rim with a heavy notched tension hoop, geared tuners, a walnut finish, and marquetry around the resonator. My estimate is that your VIP-T would likely fetch in the $700-1100 range these days, and maybe a little more, depending on condition and special appointments. The VIP-T is a nice mid range banjo model, and I have a VIP-5 which has a pleasant mid range tonal response. Hope this helps and au revoir, Barry

AVIGNON (from France), Bernard replies:

Thank you, Barry, for the information that allow me to buy this banjo with serenity.
VIVE le BANJO and the banjo players!

Sincerely, Bernard

Therese says:

May 22, 2016 at 2:56 am

I know this is a Vega Martin site, however maybe you can help me or know of someone who can provide me with more information about my dad’s Vega banjo.
It is a 1951 Vega vox iv plectrum with with s/n 98786.What does the iv mean? What is a spectrum banjo? How much would it be worth?

Reply from our BRC consultant and Vega Vox scholar Dr. Ron:

The Vega Vox IV was the top of the line banjo in the Vox (deep resonator) line for Vega Co. of Boston in the 1950s…the serial number is consistent with a 1951 model. Plectrum means a 4-string model with 22 frets, which is longer scale (27”) than the 19 fret 4-string tenor (23”). Photos would be necessary to give an accurate price range, as design styles were still changing in the post war period and overall condition (all original parts) would bring a higher price. The construction features were changing on the Vox IV (most different from catalog images), but at this point Vega was still using dowel stick (rather than metal coordinator rods) to attach and adjust the neck, and adjustable truss rods in the neck were not added until 1955—the early prewar type-construction was desired by many collectors. The use of a brass band on the wood rim also appeared on some models at this time, to improve sound.
What would be more telling is the peghead (where strings are attached) design at the time as they were in the process of changing from a scrolled shape to paddle peg head. Fingerboard engraved pearl inlays in the ebony were going through a transition (“modernization”) as well, from very elaborate designs that they used since the 1920s to to simplified block styles. The resonator back and sidewall colored engravings are probably the key feature that might bring more value than less—there were two likely designs at this time a tiffany-style web pattern with a floral vine on the side (first used in 1930) or the late 1940s “Indian blanket” Art Deco design.
I have an original 1948 model that has the older style neck, with the new resonator design–so , it’s a mixed bag during this time as Vega was experimenting with parts off the shelf when banjo sales were extremely low (maybe 20 per year) and their focus was on guitar and ukulule production instead.
Pricing for 4 strings (and 5 strings) have dropped considerably over last 2-3 years for vintage banjos—Voxes have held more than others. $5000 would be a reasonable number if in good condition—it could have brought $7500 a few years ago. If in poor condition, I’ve seen them sell as low as $3000-4000. If this banjo has some more of the early prewar design features, add $1000-1500.
Hope this helps, Dr. Ron

Landis  says:

April 29, 2016 at 2:30 am
Hi,

I have a Vega Martin five string that my father special ordered around 76-77 Supposedly it was #10 of 10. Gold and ivory hard wear with a butterfly mop inlay on the back of the body. Serial # 1795. I cannot find any pictures remotely close online.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

BRC Banjo replies:

April 29, 2016

Landis- Thanks for your post. Vega Martin banjo SN 1795 was one of three special order V-45 5-string banjos manufactured in Nazareth, PA, in 1977 per Shop Order 2335. These three top-of-the-line instruments were sent to Japan for assembly. By my count, Martin made 16 V-45 banjos that were 5-stringers, 3 plectrums (V45-P), and one (V45-T) tenor model. Of historical interest, when Martin initiated its own four digit serial number system in 1972 to replace the Vega six digit system, banjos SN 2-5 were the V-45(5) model. The V-45 appears on the cover of the 1972 catalogue, and it was billed as “our finest Bluegrass banjo” in the 1976 catalogue. It is not clear why Martin initiated this product line. Some C.F. Martin students believe that it was a market ploy to attract owners of the legendary Martin D-45 guitar to purchase a partner banjo, but the strategy did not succeed. The V-45(5) featured a heavy one-piece flat head tone ring of brass so popular among Bluegrass pickers. It was advertised to feature a rosewood veneered rim and resonator trimmed in abalone pearl “like the C.F. Martin D-45 guitar.” The metal parts were gold plated and engraved. The ebony fingerboard was on a mahogany neck, and a butterfly adorns the back of the resonator. I would love some photos of your V-45 to upload with this post. From the BRC, Barry

Steve  (from Australia) says:

April 24, 2016 at 2:41 am

Only a handful of Martin/Vega banjos made it down to Australia. I was lucky enough to buy one but, as my music and and the type of music I had to play to get work changed, I hardly played this, near mint condition, banjo. It’s mostly been in storage since I purchased it in the late 1970’s. I have original case. There’s barely a mark on the banjo (except for the binding where it was put on a stand) and this will probably buff out. I have photo’s.
Serial No. 1519. Dot inlay fret board. Zero fret wear. Virtually immaculate. Been used in the studio and loaned to a friend about 30 years ago while he his banjo was being repaired. He wanted to buy it! I’m now forced to sell several beloved instruments but have no idea how to price this gem. Steve in Oz

BRC Banjo Replies:

April 24, 2016 at 1:23 pm
Steve- Thanks for your post and glad to hear that a `Wonder` banjo made it `Down Under` during the Vega Martin era. Your VW-5 with SN 1519 was manufactured in Nazareth, PA, in 1976 per Shop Order 2285. It was one of the last batch of fourteen Wonder 5-stringers made in the USA before C.F. Martin began shipping parts overseas for assembly. The banjo featured a metal tone ring, white fingerboard binding, a heavy notched tension hoop, a 10 ply rim, geared tuning pegs, a 3 piece maple neck, blackwood fingerboard, pearl dots, a resonator, an arm rest, nickel plated parts, and a shaded mahogany finish. In the final Martin price listed published in 1971, it listed for $345 without case. Your VW-5 would fetch $700-$1000 these days. Hope this helps and thanks for your post. Barry

March 12, 2016 at 4:42 pm

I’d like to echo previous comments and thank you for a great, great website, chock full of useful information. I have 2 Martin Vegas. The first SN#720 I know is a VW-5 because it has the original hang tag. I just acquired a second, SN#990 with the dog-bone tone ring. I think it is a Pro-5. I’m hoping you can check both in your archives and tell me the going prices. Both are in wonderful condition. If you had a picture archive, I’d be happy to post some pictures.

Many Thanks, Rob

BRC Banjo Replies:

March 13, 2016 at 10:33 am

Rob- Thank you for your kind comments about the BRC website, You are a lucky guy to have two Vega Martin 5-stringers, both made in Nazareth, PA. Your VM-5 “Wonder” banjo SN 720 was manufactured in 1973 per Shop Order 2181. In the Vega Martin price list of 1971, the last publication in which VM retail prices were cited, the VM-5 was listed at $345 without case. These days, the “Wonder” would sell for $700-$1000 depending on condition. Your banjo SN 990 is indeed a Pro-5, and it was one of the last five “Professional” banjos built by VM in 1974 per Shop Order 2211. The Pro-5 does not appear in the 1976 Vega Martin catalogue. In the 1971 price list, it retailed at $545 without case. Nowadays, the Pro-5 would fetch around $1000-$1500 depending on condition. Congratulations on having two vintage VM banjos, and your gracious comments about the Info site are much appreciated. From the BRC, Barry

Banjoman says:

November 4, 2015 at 8:30 pm

I am wondering what you can tell me about a Vega long neck banjo with Martin stamp on the back of the headstock and inside, serial number 82? Any insights appreciated along with your understanding of when it was manufactured, components, what it originally sold for and current market value. Your site is a great resource for these instruments by the way. Many thanks for your efforts.

BRC Banjo Replies:

November 4, 2015 at 11:41 pm

Banjoman- C.F. Martin purchased Vega in May of 1970, and production transitioned from Boston to Nazareth, PA. The six digit Boston serial numbers were replaced by the Martin SN`s beginning with #2 in 1972. Your Pete Seeger (PS-5) was one of eleven PS-5 long neck banjos made in early 1972 per Shop Order 2098. Only 101 model PS-5 banjos were made by C.F. Martin, and the line was discontinued in 1975. The retail price for this banjo in the 1970 catalogue was $488 without case, and Martin did not published price lists after 1971. The Seeger endorsed 5-stringer had the famous Vega “Tube-a phone” tone ring, a three piece ebony fingerboard, pearl dots, a neck-tension rod, a 10 ply maple rim, and a brass bracket band and notched tension hoop. The finish was shaded mahogany, and the metal rim parts were nickel plated. It originally came with an arm rest, rotomatic tuning pegs, and a plastic head. The Vega/Martin PS-5 would probably fetch in the $1000- 2500 range these days depending on appointments and condition, whereas the Vega/Boston Seeger banjo seems to be valued more by collectors and would command a higher price. It`s a sweet long neck, and I wish I had one. All the best pickin`, and thanks for your kind words about my website. From the BRC, Barry

James says:

August 7, 2015 at 5:07 pm

Sir: What kind of info can you give me on a V-76E banjo, Ser. # 1713? It is number E-5 in a limited edition of 16 instruments made in 1976. I’m sure there’s a story behind this banjo and why it was made. What is it worth today, and what did it sell for when new? Thank you. Jim

BRC Banjo Replies:

August 7, 2015 at 7:02 pm

Jim -Thanks for your query. C.F. Martin made 76 commemorative V-76 banjos in 1976 to celebrated the bicentennial of the USA. Martin also made 1976 model D-76 guitars to partner the banjo. Your 5-stringer was one of seven V-76E instruments manufactured per Shop Order 2310, and the `E` designation indicates that these seven banjos were made for employees. A total of 98 model D-76E guitars were also made for employees. There are 13 stars on the banjo fretboard, and there should be a plaque on the back of the headstock. For reference, the name of the original owner with serial number should be in the Martin Archives. C.F. Martin did not publish suggested retail prices after 1971, but I would estimate the V-76 sold for around $7-800 with case. Although mostly a collector`s item these days, the current price range of the V-76 is $2.3-5K. Hope this helps and thanks again for your post. Barry

Roger says:

July 17, 2015 at 5:56 pm

Just found you today . I have a vegavox 4 tenor banjo by Martin . I ordered it in 1970 through a music store in Norwich , Ct run by Cliff Tidd . Retail price was $1300.00 ; I paid $900.00 . After a loooong wait I finally got it in 1971 . I was told by someone at C. F. Martin that they only made 11 of them ( mine is ser # 7 ) . About 20 years ago I had it re-fretted , re-finished , and the gold re-plated . Could you tell me where it was built and what it’s value is today ?

Thanks ! Roger

BRC Banjo Replies:

July 19, 2015 at 2:22 pm

Roger- Thanks much for your query. In May of 1970, C.F. Martin acquired Vega. Accordingly, 1970-1971 was a year of manufacturing transition from Boston to Nazareth. PA. In the Martin log book, the last six digit (Vega) serial number was 130392 in 1972 after which began the Martin digits. There is no #1 Martin banjo listed, but banjos #6-8 were Vega Vox-4-T tenors built per Shop Order 2087. These were followed by banjos #9-14 which were Vega Vox-4-P plectrums per Shop Order 2088. By my count, twelve VV IV-tenor banjos were built in Nazareth with the last one, #1678, in 1976. In that same period, twenty-one VV IV plectrums were manufactured. My estimate is that your VV IV-T can fetch about $1000-4500 these days depending on the online vendor or estate auction. I have sent an e-mail to my Vega Vox consultant Dr. Ron and await his comments and appraisal. In the meantime, thanks again for your post. Barry

Reply from our BRC  Vega Vox consultant and scholar Dr. Ron:

The timeline, serial number and pricing in 1970-71 seem right—it was probably in final assembly at Nazareth with a #7 new series serial number; the last of the M139400 yellow labels came out of the old Needham Heights Vega factory sometime in November 1971. Original MRSP $1310 without case (carved neck was also extra). In good condition, the range today is $4000-6000 ($4500-5000 is more reasonable); rare that a tenor would sell at high end, as that market is very soft now and more vintage IV tenors from 1930-50s are pursued and better value (those with dowel sticks tend to be more highly sought after today in the tenor crowd). After 20 years, the wear and tear on a refinished instrument may reduce the value further. Unfortunately, many 4-string players of a certain generation seem to think that their banjos will command higher prices—even the Gibson flat heads used for 5 string conversion have taken a tumble and are are half on what they were 5 years ago. The Voxes have endured a bit more that others in the market place, however.

Robert says:

June 24, 2015 at 5:18 am

Hello. Just found this wonderful site. Thank you for all the information. I have an ornate 5 string Martin Vega banjo with pie-plate style resonator. No markings saying Martin but looks identical to fancy ones I saw in an old Martin sales flyer. It looks identical to the one posted with photos on last July 8…only difference is that mine does not have the Martin decal on the back of the peg head. It may have been removed some time before I got it. It has only a tape serial number inside the pot of 1124. It has dual rods running through the pot and it has the tubaphone tone ring. Really sounds and pays great. Can you tell me what year it was made and by whom? Thank you. If you need photos I can take a few and send them to you on a subsequent time. Thanks again. Bob.

BRC Banjo Replies:

June 24, 2015 at 7:02 pm

Bob- Thanks for your query and kind words about my website. The circa 1978 brochure that I sent you confirms that your instrument is a Tu-Ba-Phone Deluxe 5 stringer. Although a mystery to me, this top of the line resonator banjo was introduced by C.F. Martin shortly after its bitter 1977 luthier strike following which their banjo production dwindled to almost nothing in Nazareth, PA. Those few Tubaphones which were made in Pennsylvania bore SN`s in the 1600-1945 range per the shop log book. By that time, parts were being shipped to Canada and Japan for assembly, and record keeping soon deteriorated and serial numbers were inconsistent. As your banjo bears no C.F. Martin markings, my impression is that it was put together overseas from left-over Martin parts after the Asian conglomerate Galaxy Trading purchased the Vega brand in 1979. Your 5 string model was featured in the subsequent 1979 TMC Vega catalogue as an instrument “…similar to old style Vega Tu- Ba-Phone No.9..” banjo, and it listed then for $1250. My estimate is that it might fetch $1800-2000 these days. Deering now owns the Vega line and offers open-back Tubaphones in their inventory. Hope this helps, and all the best picking, Barry

Roger says:

June 20, 2015 at 8:23 pm

That’s a lot of information! Thanks so much! I actually have a customized 75 Martin D28 to go with my 75 Vega. I recently had a luthier friend do setup on it and he found the pot metal rim flange to be broken and won’t allow me to have the head at proper tension. Do you know how many tenor V41 banjos were made? The distinct disadvantage to having a rare banjo is finding replacement parts. I’m hoping I can find a V41 pot. Any ideas on contacts for such a beast?

BRC Banjo Replies:

June 21, 2015 at 1:28 pm

Roger- Thanks for your challenging follow-up query. Replacing a broken flange on a rare and vintage instrument is a tough task. Vega Martin manufactured twenty-eight V-41 5 stringers, two V-41 tenors, and only one V-41 plectrum banjo. New and used generic flanges can be found on eBay, but getting one to fit your pot outer diameter and bracket hook sequence is tricky. I have had the opportunity to do this only once for a friend who traded some vintage parts with me for an old flange that I had by serendipity on my workshop shelf. The hardware on the V-41 is chrome-plated, so maybe a nearby metal shop could patch it for you or at least identify the alloy. There were forty-six Vega Martin V-45 banjos made of similar design, but the hardware was gold-plated. Deering Banjo Company now owns the Vega brand, and you might contact them regarding a custom device if you want parts within the historic Vega lineage. Good luck, thanks much for your post, and great to hear from you again, Barry

Bob L. says:

July 18, 2014 at 5:26 pm

I recently took my Dad’s 4 string banjo out of storage after approximately 25 years since his passing. My Dad & I went to our music lessons back to back on Thursday evenings during my teen years some 40 years ago. He on his banjo and me with my guitar. I’m just getting back into my love of music. I’m mostly a guitar player. I’m trying to decide wether to keep it as a memento, keep it and take some lessons, or possibly sell it because it’s a shame to have it sit in storage. It’s a Vega VIP with the Martin Co. logo on the back of the peg head. I have a seperate label that’s still in the case showing the serial # 1199. It’s in excellent condition other than needing some cleaning and a little metal polish on the metal parts. It looks to have some pretty fancy inlays along the fretboard and some nice detail & trim around the wooden drum. I’m not very knowledgable about banjos so please forgive my terminology. Any info including your estimate of current value would be very much appreciated.

BRC  Banjo Replies:

July 18, 2014 at 7:15 pm

Bob- Thanks for the remembrance narrative about you and your Dad learning music together- your are a lucky father and son. Vega Martin SN 1199 is one of five VIP-T (tenor) banjos made per shop order # 2233 in late 1974 in Nazareth, PA. In the 1970 VM catalogue, the VIP-T banjo retailed for $556, and the hard shell case was $68 extra. These days, the banjo would probably fetch around $1000 if marketed online. My personal suggestion, however, is to preserve it as a tangible keepsake of the priceless moments spent with your father years ago. Like my dad, I am a musician and physician and treasure his professional and avocational memorabilia. Hit a few licks on the tenor- you might find that you like it. All the best, Barry

Bob L. replies:

July 18, 2014 at 7:38 pm 

Great information and even better advice. I think I’ll go look up a local banjo instructor and take a few lessons. Thanks again for your time & consideration.

William says:

October 4, 2013 at 10:05 am 

My aunt gave me a Martin Vega banjo serial number 892 to see what it was worth since she is not internet savy and looking to sell it. The local music store said they would give her 120$ for it. I told her to leave cause i thought they were taking advantage of her because of her age.

The number is painted on the bottom not pressed in the wood. I don’t know much about banjos because I’m a guitar man myself. Can you tell me what year this banjo was made and what my aunt could legitimately ask for it?

BRC Banjo Replies:

October 4, 2013 at 1:12 pm 

William- Thanks for your post. Martin Vega banjo #892 should be a long neck open back Folklore Model manufactured in the latter half of 1973 per shop order 2198. This design of banjo retailed for $285 back then, and it was popularized by Erik Darling and Pete Seegar (who had his own Vega endorsed model for awhile). The long neck banjo is less popular nowadays with the surge in Bluegrass music, but I have two of them and value their mellow wife-friendly tone. Resale prices for this type of banjo vary widely from a couple of hundred to several thousand dollars depending on unique features. Your aunt`s banjo sounds like a stock model, so I would estimate that it would fetch $400-$700 on the open market. If someone could help her post it on eBay, it would probably get a decent price and a good home. Best of luck and thanks for your query, Barry

Fred says:

November 14, 2013 at 8:27 pm 

My Vega VIP has the Martin decal on the back of the headstock. The inside of the rim has a R-D-136 in white. Can you tell me about it?

Thanks very much. Fred

BRC  Banjo Replies:

November 16, 2013 at 1:35 pm 

Fred- Thank you for the detailed photos of your instrument. It has almost all the hallmarks of a stock model VIP banjo. In addition to the unusual R-D-136 serial number, the “C.F. Martin and Co., Est. 1833″ decal is absent from the inner rim. Of note, banjo SN 136 manufactured in 1972 was a Vega Vox I plectrum and not a 5-stringer like yours. In your e-mail, you mention being told when acquiring the instrument that it was a prototype design. Maybe, the “R-D” prefix stands for “Research and Development”. Although the genesis of your SN and date of manufacture are a puzzlement, it is no mystery that you own a lovely vintage Martin banjo. Thank-you for your kind words about my website, and all blessings to you and yours this coming holiday season. Barry

READER QUIZ:

Can you identify this  rare Vega Martin banjo just by the peghead markings?

Answer: Tu-Ba-Phone 5-String made 1978-1979.

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